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goddamn yes to all this.
Fuckin’-a right.
Now, I don’t mean to derail this great feminism post with whining about misandry, but misandry fucking exists. I’ve seen so much of it from some of the more liberal feminists I’ve known, and I understand why they’d hate males so much, but hating males only makes the cause - to make males treat women fairly - much harder for males to understand.
Yes, misogyny is a bad thing. I understand that. But if you’re feminist misandrist and extremely open about it you’re only going to make males hate you for being unnecessarily hostile, and thus you’re dragging the good name of feminism through the mud. You deal with patriarchal bullshit time and time again, I understand that; but not all males perpetuate the patriarchy. In fact most of them are taught to degrade and own women from their childhood up to when they graduate, so just yelling at males because they’re being sexist will only make the issue escalate. Another thing is that not all possibly rude comments you hear or see might have been intentional; sometimes people try to explain something and end up saying something bad in the process. If it really irritated you, just take some deep breaths and politely discuss the matter with them privately later.
When you’re telling a male they are being misogynist, do it like this:
“I don’t mean to be rude - and you may not have meant what I understood from what you said - but you said something that was rather misogynistic/sexist. I feel that you could have said something else, but I understand that sometimes we slip up and choose the wrong words for what we’re trying to say.”
Using a sort of Royal We helps them understand that you aren’t against them, and that you aren’t attempting to insult him.
Do NOT say it like this:
“That was really fucking misogynistic. Like holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you.”
What I’m trying to say is that you can’t combat misogyny with misandry; you must be extremely kind and considerate because males can get extremely hot-headed extremely fast sometimes. Yes, what they said was rude, but if you fire back the same rudeness at him you are only going to make the situation worse, whether you and I like it or not.
TL;DR: In order to show men how to stop being misogynistic, you have to be nice and considerate in order to show them an example of how you need to be treated.
shut the fuck up
i provided a reasonable fucking statement. like i motherfucking said, i understand that you’re probably frustrated as all hell with the patriarchy. however, if you fight fire with fire against males, you will always lose, and feminism will have taken a small step back in progress. us males are almost all hard-wired to be stubborn. if you TRULY want an end to misogyny and sexism, then you’ll understand that gender EQUALITY is what we need, not a matriarchy.
again; we all need equality, NOT a patriarchy, nor a matriarchy to “make males pay for their denial of basic rights to females.”
like seriously, if you aren’t rallying for total and complete equality and instead want to put one gender on a pedestal over the other, you are rallying wrong.
If by reasonable you mean making a post about FEMINISM into another “what about the men” whinefest then yeah, I guess so? Honestly all i got from your argument was “be a feminist but only in a way that makes ME comfortable because i’m a man and my comfort overrides a woman’s right to speak her mind”.
By making generalisations about men you’re perpetuating a lot of stupid stereotypes so good job, you may think you’re proving a point but the only thing being proven is that you’re a jackass and if you have to resort to “males are hard-wired to be ____” then you’re clearly already grasping at straws.
Also almost nobody is asking for a matriarchy? Did you even read the post because i think the first slide applies to you buddy
Hey now, misandry does exist but this fucking post is free of it. If you even bothered reading the post you’d see it’s just saying that feminism = freedom to do what you want with your life regardless of gender, ie. COMPLETE EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE.
Do NOT say it like this:
“That was really fucking misogynistic. Like holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you.”
And why the fuck not? If some guy is being a dickhead he needs to fucking open his eyes. You seem like a nice guy, Derek, but if Feminists just mutter “well i think that was sexist but it’s okay i understand go on” then what the fuck is that meant to achieve? If you don’t shout, you just get drowned out by the noise.
Now come on. Feminism is about equality. Choice. Freedom. It’s not about hating males and if you would open your eyes maybe you’d see that?
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